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Vinaya Pitaka
Mahavagga
II. Uposathakkhandhako

Mv II 12

PTS: Mv II 15.6 | CS: vin.mv.02.12

Vinayapucchanakathā

'Line by Line'

The Discussion of Asking About Vinaya

Ven. Khematto Bhikkhu

2017

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- Namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa -

79. vinayapucchanakathā (Mv.II.15.6)
The Discussion of Asking About Vinaya [BMC: 1 2]

[169] tena kho pana samayena chabbaggiyā bhikkhū saṅghamajjhe asammatā vinayaṁ pucchanti.	Now on that occasion some Group-of-six monks, being unauthorized, asked about Vinaya in the midst of the Saṅgha.
bhagavato etamatthaṁ ārocesuṁ.	They reported the matter to the Blessed One.
na bhikkhave saṅghamajjhe asammatena vinayo pucchitabbo yo puccheyya āpatti dukkaṭassa.	“One who is unauthorized should not ask about Vinaya in the midst of the Saṅgha by. Whoever should ask about it (unauthorized): an offense of wrong doing.
anujānāmi bhikkhave saṅghamajjhe sammatena vinayaṁ pucchituṁ.	“I allow that one who is authorized ask about Vinaya in the midst of the Saṅgha.”
evañca pana bhikkhave sammannitabbo.	“And, monks, he should be authorized like this:
attanā va attānaṁ sammannitabbaṁ parena vā paro sammannitabbo.	“One should authorize oneself or one (monk) should authorize another.
(Mv.II.15.7) kathañca attanā va attānaṁ sammannitabbaṁ.	“And how should one authorize oneself?
byattena bhikkhunā paṭibalena saṅgho ñāpetabbo	“An experienced and competent monk should inform the Saṅgha:
suṇātu me bhante saṅgho yadi saṅghassa pattakallaṁ ahaṁ itthannāmaṁ vinayaṁ puccheyyanti.	“‘Venerable sirs, may the Saṅgha listen to me. If the Saṅgha is ready, I would ask so-and-so about the Vinaya.’
evaṁ attanā va attānaṁ sammannitabbaṁ.	“In this way one should authorize oneself.
kathañca parena paro sammannitabbo.	“And how should one (monk) authorize another?
byattena bhikkhunā paṭibalena saṅgho ñāpetabbo	“An experienced and competent monk should inform the Saṅgha:
suṇātu me bhante saṅgho yadi saṅghassa pattakallaṁ itthannāmo itthannāmaṁ vinayaṁ puccheyyāti.	“‘Venerable sirs, may the Saṅgha listen to me. If the Saṅgha is ready, so-and-so would ask so-and-so about the Vinaya.’
evaṁ parena paro sammannitabboti.	“In this way one (monk) should authorize another.”
(Mv.II.15.7) tena kho pana samayena pesalā bhikkhū saṅghamajjhe sammatā vinayaṁ pucchanti.	Now on that occasion well-behaved monks, being authorized, asked about Vinaya in the midst of the Saṅgha.
chabbaggiyā bhikkhū labhanti āghātaṁ labhanti appaccayaṁ vadhena tajjenti.	Some Group-of-six monks became angered and unreasonable, and threatened them with a beating.
bhagavato etamatthaṁ ārocesuṁ.	They reported the matter to the Blessed One.
anujānāmi bhikkhave saṅghamajjhe sammatenapi parisaṁ oloketvā puggalaṁ tulayitvā vinayaṁ pucchitunti.	“Monks, I allow that one who is authorized ask about Vinaya in the midst of the Saṅgha after having looked over the assembly and having assessed the individuals.”

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2017 Ven. Khematto Bhikkhu

Edition: 2017-09-29.

Transcribed from a file generously provided by the translator via dhammatalks.org and edited to ZzE-style by sj.

2017

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